<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The BurnSim data for that build says J350, 920NS. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kevin </div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 10, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Bob Schoner <<a href="mailto:bob.schoner@gmail.com" class="">bob.schoner@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Can’t possibly be a K impulse if 54mm 3 grains unless the grains are 6 inches long. </div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">A certified L2 person could fly a motor made by someone else. Unless the motor maker is L2 THEY can’t fly at a TRA launch. NAR does not permit research motors (home made motors). At any of their launches. Only other way is an independent club like MDRA with their own insurance. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Bob</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 1:30 PM Weeks, Thomas <<a href="mailto:t.weeks@vt.edu" class="">t.weeks@vt.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div id="m_-7033516513072890286divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" dir="ltr" class=""><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Hey guys..</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If this is the same class that Ben and Elaine did for us before, then it's a three grain 54mm (K550). I know bc I bough a Loki case to go with mine as I had never done 54mm before.</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class=""><br class="">
</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Elaine said that participants must be TRA members to participate, but do not need to be certified to participate (or make the grains) but you must be L2 certified to FLY it (at a TRA event). The only way you could get
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<div dir="auto" class="">I’m 90% sure the motor is J impulse, still requires an L2 cert to fly. If they are getting K impulse out of a 4 grain 38 mm motor then they need to share the secret with NASA!</div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">The casting and liner tubes fit Loki and I think AMW hardware which is not provided. </div>
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<div dir="auto" class="">We are now calling all our launches research. Like Pat said it means greater distance to pads and the waiver is reduced to 80% of the commercial waiver. That still gives 8,000 agl for flying. </div>
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other sizes, you can make anything from a 29 to 98 mm.... level 1 through level 3.</div>
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<div class="">it class they give you the following hardware:</div>
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