[NRV Rocketry] Kentland farms update

Maier.chris maier.chris at gmail.com
Mon Aug 15 15:50:34 CDT 2011


38 mm I - get the cert done dude, and go big or go home :P

Seriously though, I recently underpowered a little Estes model - package recommended an A, it flew, but the 5 second ejection charge went off about 10 ft AGL...

I promise I'll never make that mistake again 

Chris

On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Tweeks <tweeks at rackspace.com> wrote:

> [Mark, I'm moving this thread over to the NRVR mail list.. ;) ]
> 
> This is a useful discussion that me and one of the VAST rocket guys are having 
> about the maiden flight of my Talon-3, and what I should launch it on (a 29mm 
> H motor, or my 38mm motor casing with an *I* impulse motor):
>    http://theweeks.org/rockets/TALON-3/Talon-3_m.JPG
> 
> On Monday 15 August 2011, Mark Miller wrote:
>> Of course, it's ultimately your call since it's your bird.  I just wanted
>> you to know that H motors in [your talon-3] rocket are doable.  As long as
>> it passes  RSO muster (as far as motor goes it's normally based on a minimum
>> of 5:1 thrust-to-weight ratio) you are literally good to to go.
> 
> I'm still learning here.. but I was considering the 5:1 thrust to weight ratio 
> when asking my question about which motor to use. 
> 
> My thinkinf was that with a 6lb loaded bird  (call it 8 with a 2lb motor) will 
> need to clear an average thrust of around 176 N.. right? (8lb * 4.4N/lb * 
> 5:1 ) Unless I just punch it with a VMax or the like (really high initial 
> thrust to get it to stable flight)... 
> 
> VMax excluded... doesn't that point to an I motor?
> 
> 
>> It looks like we will be flying in some type of crop regardless of whether
>> it's corn or the remaining silage, so I would suggest either some type of
>> tracking device or at the very least an audio beacon to aid in recovery. 
> 
> Yeah.. I have a 120dB alarm that I've been saving for something like this. :)
> 
> Tweeks
> 
> 
>> A 
>> stand of corn like that can swallow a huge rocket and defy you to find it.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Tweeks <tweeks at rackspace.com> wrote:
>>> I'm doing ground tests now (getting my sheer pin hardware set up.. making
>>> sure
>>> I have good charge volumes, good reliability, etc).
>>> 
>>> I'm a little hesitant to go as low as an H in the Talon-3, as it's only
>>> rated
>>> for I-J.
>>> 
>>> Tweeks
>>> 
>>> On Monday 15 August 2011, Mark Miller wrote:
>>>> Tweeks,
>>>> 
>>>> Just running a quick sim in RASAero for a rocket of that general
>>>> configuration and weight of 6 lbs, I come up with a bit over 1000' for
>>>> an H400 flight and a bit over 1200' for an H399.  In I motors Harry has
>>>> in stock, there is the I287 @ ~2550', the I297@ ~3000', and the
>>>> I350@~3300'. If you choose to go with a 29mm motor, hardware is no
>>>> problem since if
>>> 
>>> you
>>> 
>>>> don't want to buy it from Harry right away, you are welcome to borrow
>>> 
>>> what
>>> 
>>>> you need in hardware and/or adapters.
>>>> 
>>>> Now that you have your dual deployment set up, that gives you more
>>>> flexibility as far as altitude.  Have you had a chance to do some
>>>> ground tests to get your charge sizes worked out?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Tweeks <tweeks at rackspace.com> wrote:
>>>>> Haven't got all the finishing touches just yet.. but probably around
>>>>> 6lbs..
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tweeks
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Monday 15 August 2011, Mark Miller wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Tweeks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is your empty weight on the Talon&nbsp;3? &nbsp;In&nbsp;other
>>>>>> words, ready to fly other than the motor.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011 11:49 AM, Tweeks &lt;tweeks at rackspace.com&gt;
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You guys recommending a large H over an I on the Talon3?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm equipped for 38mm (just bought my Pro-38s casings).. and have
>>>>>> nothing for
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 29mm.  I'm AM set up for dual deploy...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tweeks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sunday 14 August 2011, Mark Miller wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; Tweeks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; Harry from The Dragon's Hoard is scheduled to be there both
>>> 
>>> days.
>>> 
>>>>>> Here is
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; the link to the motor page on his website:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; http://www.thedragonshoard.com/motors.php
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; Don't forget that your Talon 3 should also be able to fly on
>>> 
>>> some
>>> 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; higher average impulse H motors as well, like the H399 in the
>>>>>> Pro29 series.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; If you don't have adapters for 38 to 29mm, you are welcome to
>>>>>> borrow one
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; from me if you like.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; Take care,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; Mark
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:55 AM, Thomas Weeks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &lt;tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org&gt;wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt; **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt; BTW..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt; Who's the motor vendor? And how do I connect with them?
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>> 
>>>>> going
>>>>> 
>>>>>> to need
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt; some Pro-38 Is.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt;
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt; &gt; Tweeks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> &gt;
>>>>>> 
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