[NRV Rocketry] [NRVR-Launches] Rocket Launch Announcement
Thomas Weeks
tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org
Sat Jun 4 22:39:51 CDT 2011
Well.. Thanks for running the numbers for me Bob.. I hope you got to make it
up there. I had to go by my new house today and discuss some things with the
current owners.
Hope you all have a fun tome without me... between box packing sessions.. I'm
going to try to get my bird ready for dual deploy... and maybe have Bob get me
a couple of my own H or Is to do this with for wherever the next launch is.
If anyone take pictures or has some notes on how the launch went.. please
share! :)
Tweeks
On Thursday, June 02, 2011 10:42:29 am Bob Schoner wrote:
> Tweeks,
>
> I did some simple sims using wRASP on a 3.1" dia rocket, 73 " long weighing
> from 4.5 to 5.6 pounds without motor. I should have put the results in a
> spreadsheet but I was doing it at 3:00 in the morning and was just
> plugging in different AT 29 and 38 mm motors. What I remember is:
>
> - H220 in a 5.6 rocket goes 879' with plenty of velocity off the pad
> - I211 in a 5.6 pound rocket went 2170'
>
> So if everything lines up for you to make it to JMV you should have plenty
> of options in H and I impulse. I understand the manufacturers
> recommendations are important, but there should be some room to adapt to
> each launch site.
>
> It is your rocket and cert so the decision is completely yours. I'll send
> you a spreadsheet with results for a light and heavy rocket on the motors I
> have on hand. If you could get a weight with all the recovery stuff that
> will help dial in the estimates. I've found wRASP to usually be 5%-10%
> high in it's estimates, but generally in the ballpark and much simpler to
> get a quick sim.
>
> Bob
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Chuck Neff <chuck.neff at comcast.net> wrote:
> > Tweeks,
> >
> > Yes, I would not recommend flying single deploy over 2,000 feet at the
> > JMV site, and that’s with relatively no wind. We haven’t flown enough
> > there to really know how things will respond under all conditions, but
> > 4,000 feet single deploy would definitely be too much in my opinion.
> >
> >
> >
> > What’s the empty weight of your rocket?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Thomas Weeks [mailto:tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org]
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:16 AM
> > *To:* Chuck Neff
> > *Cc:* nrvr at nrvr.org; 'Mark Miller'; mficco at mindspring.com;
> > kulcelts at verizon.net; afa2fg at msn.com; 'Eric Pyle'; 'Bob Schoner'
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [NRV Rocketry] [NRVR-Launches] Rocket Launch Announcement
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck.. not sure if I'll be able to make it to the launch this weekend or
> > not after all.. Bob and I are running my talon through a simulation.. but
> > with it's smallest recommended I-motor.. (unless Bob discovers otherwise)
> > it would still fly at or beyond 4k feet. You were recommending no higher
> > than 2k feet right? And this would be a single deploy. I don't fancy
> > either chasing the thing for 3 miles.. or losing it all together. Let me
> > know what you think as I've never been to this field in Jack Mountain
> > Village near Monterey, Virginia.. thoughts?
> >
> > Bob.. please CC Chuck in your reply to be about your sim findings on that
> > Aerotech motor in my Talon3 as we discussed.
> >
> > If anyone else has any thoughts.. please share (and while my bird is dual
> > deploy capable.. it's not been outfitted or tested yet.. end there's not
> > enough time right now to do so).
> >
> > Thanx..
> >
> > Tweeks
> >
> > On Sunday, May 29, 2011 01:24:10 am Chuck Neff wrote:
> > > Tweeks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We'd be happy to have you attend the launch! This will be the first
> >
> > launch
> >
> > > we've held in a while so I know I'm anxious to get out there!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In the past, we've charged $10.00 for non-members and $5.00 for members
> >
> > for
> >
> > > launch fees. This was to cover the monthly expenses we had associated
> >
> > with
> >
> > > the launch such as the porta-potty (which is about $70.00). We also
> > > tried
> > >
> > > to keep rockets and motors on hand for the kids in attendance. Building
> >
> > up
> >
> > > the amount of range equipment we had was also a priority.
> > > Unfortunately,
> > >
> > > nothing in this world is free! Then, with such a diverse range of
> > >
> > > locations where VAST's members live, we couldn't always count on the
> > >
> > > number of people to show to cover these expenses. I've been the only
> > > one
> > >
> > > to make it before.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, for this launch and the fact that it's been a while and many people
> >
> > are
> >
> > > making fairly long drives to get there, as the launch director, I
> > > decided
> > >
> > > to go with a set fee of $5.00 per adult for the launch fees. Kids of
> > >
> > > course will fly free. This may change for future events, but for now it
> > >
> > > is what it is.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Since the fire department will be coming out and spending the day with
> >
> > us,
> >
> > > I'd like to try and collect some donations for them. A few dollars here
> > >
> > > and there can go a long way.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I hope that answers your questions concerning the range fees
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As for your Level 1 attempt, I'm the guy to talk to. All the clubs
> > > email
> > >
> > > comes to me. Since I'm the Prefect, I'm the only one at the moment who
> >
> > can
> >
> > > sign off on cert flights. I'm Level 3 certified so can sign off on all
> > >
> > > Level 2 flights and below. The same is true with the NAR. If it is
> > >
> > > something you'd like to do, then the more information you can give me,
> >
> > the
> >
> > > better. Rocket size, motor, any design and sim work files, projected
> > >
> > > altitude, etc. I can make a much easier decision having all the facts
> >
> > then
> >
> > > just pieces here and there. If you're thinking about certifying and the
> > >
> > > June launch, please send me the information as soon as possible for my
> > >
> > > review.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We have 4 other Level 1 cert flights planned for that Saturday. Two of
> > >
> > > them will be adult L1 while the other two will be Junior Level 1's. So,
> > >
> > > if you'd like to fly, let's get the details worked out and go from
> > > there!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Feel free to send any questions or comments you may have!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck Neff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Valley AeroSpace Team - President
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Thomas Weeks [mailto:tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org]
> > >
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:43 PM
> > >
> > > To: nrvr at nrvr.org
> > >
> > > Cc: chuck.neff at comcast.net
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [NRV Rocketry] [NRVR-Launches] Rocket Launch Announcement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for sending this out Chuck!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm going to try to make the launch myself. I would like to both meet
> >
> > some
> >
> > > of our VAST brethren.. as well as possibly get my L1 cert flight
> > > finally
> > >
> > > knocked out after all these years of various setbacks (from my old TX
> > >
> > > flying days).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If I want to get in the line up of cert launches.. who do I need to
> > > talk
> > >
> > > to? Just that vast-info address?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Also.. Is the launch fee the same for VAST and non-VAST members?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tweeks
> > >
> > > On Monday, May 23, 2011 09:16:36 am chuck.neff at comcast.net wrote:
> > > > New River Valley Rocketeers and Friends,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Valley AeroSpace Team (VAST) will be hosting a Sport Rocket
> > > > Launch
> >
> > on
> >
> > > > Saturday, June 4th, from 10:00 am to 6:00 pm at its launch site, Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mountain Village, near Monterey, Virginia (see directions/map on main
> > > >
> > > > page
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > of our website). Rockets ranging from just a few inches to over 8
> > > > feet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tall will be launched. Kids can bring and fly their own rockets or
> > > >
> > > > launch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > one of the available VAST rockets. The launch fee for adults is $5.00
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > the day to help cover associated costs. Spectating is of course free
> >
> > and
> >
> > > > encouraged! NOTE: A porta-potty will be on site!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For those attending and wanting to fly, dual-deployment is highly
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > recommended for all flights that may exceed 2,000 feet AGL. Level 1 &
> > > > 2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Certification flights (Tripoli and NAR) can be made with advance
> >
> > notice.
> >
> > > > Please e-mail vastinfo at valleyaerospace.co m m with request. You can
> >
> > also
> >
> > > > a dd your project to the Featured Projects (
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > www.valleyaerospace.com/featuredprojects.html ) page of VAST's web
> >
> > site.
> >
> > > > Sunday, June 5th, from 10:00 am to 5:00 pm will be a Tripoli Research
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Launch at the same site. Again, dual-deployment is highly recommended
> > > >
> > > > for
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > all flights that may exceed 2,000 feet AGL. Level 1 & 2 Certification
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > flights (Tripoli only) can be done with advance notice. Per the
> > > > Tripoli
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Research Safety Code, you must be a Tripoli member and at least 18
> >
> > years
> >
> > > > of age to fly commercial motors at a research launch. Also, only L2+
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tripoli members are allowed to fly research motors. Launch fee is
> >
> > $5.00.
> >
> > > > NOTE: Sunday's launch is open for anyone to attend, but only Tripoli
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > members over the age of 18 will be allowed to fly.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Harry from The Dragon's Hoard hobby shop will be on hand with an
> > >
> > > assortment
> > >
> > > > of kits, motors, and supplies. Remember, VAST members receive a 10%
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > discount on all rocketry related items!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please e-mail vastinfo at valleyaerospace.c om
> > > > vastinfo at valleyaerospace.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > with questions and comments.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chuck Neff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Valley AeroSpace Team - President
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > www.valleyaerospace.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > p.s. Feel free to pass this invitation along to anyone you think may
> > > > be
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > interested.
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